Why Walter Peck was wrong?

[MightyDavidson]

The proton pack is a particle accelerator, it somehow (SCIENCE!) strips electrons from protons to fire a proton stream controlled by the "wand". The containment unit uses a laser confinement grid which is drawing power from Con Edison to operate. How dare the Ghostbusters use and pay for electricity to run lasers!
Of the two I am way more concerned about the proton pack, it fires a ionizing ray of nuclear particles that is not confined and is probably very hazardous to fire at people. We can see the property damage that being hit by the stream can cause. It is possible that they contain nuclear materials, which is a contamination hazard, but in that event they are likely more of a risk to the people wearing them than anyone else; radiation follows the inverse square law.

That is an interesting point, plus something else that needs to be mentioned is that we see them crossing the streams that blast probably would have blow up a small building at worst, at best the room they happen to be in.

More to the point, despite Egon's concerns, said explosion didn't actually kill any of the people in said room. Indeed, the Ghostbusters didn't even seem to be harmed at all despite the big boom.

[MightyDavidson]

The proton pack is a particle accelerator, it somehow (SCIENCE!) strips electrons from protons to fire a proton stream controlled by the "wand". The containment unit uses a laser confinement grid which is drawing power from Con Edison to operate. How dare the Ghostbusters use and pay for electricity to run lasers!
Of the two I am way more concerned about the proton pack, it fires a ionizing ray of nuclear particles that is not confined and is probably very hazardous to fire at people. We can see the property damage that being hit by the stream can cause. It is possible that they contain nuclear materials, which is a contamination hazard, but in that event they are likely more of a risk to the people wearing them than anyone else; radiation follows the inverse square law.

That is an interesting point, plus something else that needs to be mentioned is that we see them crossing the streams that blast probably would have blow up a small building at worst, at best the room they happen to be in.

I watched tons of times when I was a kid, both movies in fact, but now that I know the details, I not see the Ghostbusters are underdogs victims of the system, not when they have such powerful and unregulated weapons and basically nuclear reactor in their base, Beck is not the mindless idiot, he actually had valid reasons for his actions the movie treat him like a clown. And all comes to the background to this movie, to the ideology of the director, that he even admit it himself, loved Reagan policies, this is basically Law Abiding Citizen, great if you turn off your brain and not think about the details, that our hero is basically a cold blooded killer that killed some tugs when white collar crime, mostly bank executives kicking down grandmas of their own houses for a penny is the most common crime in the U. S., not petty crime, that is actually going low, and also there is the cherry on top that our beloved vigilante killer worked for the CIA. And never the less that make it justified his actions? Make justified that the District Attorney not make more deals with petty criminals? What about the banks that rob people of their homes, their work and their lives, that basically committed fraud and get away with it? They also wont have a deal?

You seem to have some kinship with Beck, which is why you are defending such a tinpot idiot. We don't care about your politics and your petty grievances.

Plus you know what else could be a weapon power tools, construction vehicles. Plus just because the ghostbusters need to be regulated doesn't mean Peck is in anyway capable of doing that.

In fact, one could argue that the explosion of the containment unit and the release of all the ghosts is evidence that Peck is NOT capable of that.

[TrueMetis]

The proton pack is a particle accelerator, it somehow (SCIENCE!) strips electrons from protons to fire a proton stream controlled by the "wand". The containment unit uses a laser confinement grid which is drawing power from Con Edison to operate. How dare the Ghostbusters use and pay for electricity to run lasers!
Of the two I am way more concerned about the proton pack, it fires a ionizing ray of nuclear particles that is not confined and is probably very hazardous to fire at people. We can see the property damage that being hit by the stream can cause. It is possible that they contain nuclear materials, which is a contamination hazard, but in that event they are likely more of a risk to the people wearing them than anyone else; radiation follows the inverse square law.

That is an interesting point, plus something else that needs to be mentioned is that we see them crossing the streams that blast probably would have blow up a small building at worst, at best the room they happen to be in.

I watched tons of times when I was a kid, both movies in fact, but now that I know the details, I not see the Ghostbusters are underdogs victims of the system, not when they have such powerful and unregulated weapons and basically nuclear reactor in their base, Beck is not the mindless idiot, he actually had valid reasons for his actions the movie treat him like a clown. And all comes to the background to this movie, to the ideology of the director, that he even admit it himself, loved Reagan policies, this is basically Law Abiding Citizen, great if you turn off your brain and not think about the details, that our hero is basically a cold blooded killer that killed some tugs when white collar crime, mostly bank executives kicking down grandmas of their own houses for a penny is the most common crime in the U. S., not petty crime, that is actually going low, and also there is the cherry on top that our beloved vigilante killer worked for the CIA. And never the less that make it justified his actions? Make justified that the District Attorney not make more deals with petty criminals? What about the banks that rob people of their homes, their work and their lives, that basically committed fraud and get away with it? They also wont have a deal?

Don't know the details well enough to know that there's a difference between a particle accelerator and a nuclear reactor. Again dude, the proton packs, that's *proton* pack there's a hint in the name, are not nuclear reactors.

Are they dangerous? Sure, but Peck never goes after them. He fucks with the containment unit which by his own reasoning about why he's there he has no reason to care about.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Have you, on the other hand, never made a mistake before?

[Keyser94]

The proton pack is a particle accelerator, it somehow (SCIENCE!) strips electrons from protons to fire a proton stream controlled by the "wand". The containment unit uses a laser confinement grid which is drawing power from Con Edison to operate. How dare the Ghostbusters use and pay for electricity to run lasers!
Of the two I am way more concerned about the proton pack, it fires a ionizing ray of nuclear particles that is not confined and is probably very hazardous to fire at people. We can see the property damage that being hit by the stream can cause. It is possible that they contain nuclear materials, which is a contamination hazard, but in that event they are likely more of a risk to the people wearing them than anyone else; radiation follows the inverse square law.

That is an interesting point, plus something else that needs to be mentioned is that we see them crossing the streams that blast probably would have blow up a small building at worst, at best the room they happen to be in.

I watched tons of times when I was a kid, both movies in fact, but now that I know the details, I not see the Ghostbusters are underdogs victims of the system, not when they have such powerful and unregulated weapons and basically nuclear reactor in their base, Beck is not the mindless idiot, he actually had valid reasons for his actions the movie treat him like a clown. And all comes to the background to this movie, to the ideology of the director, that he even admit it himself, loved Reagan policies, this is basically Law Abiding Citizen, great if you turn off your brain and not think about the details, that our hero is basically a cold blooded killer that killed some tugs when white collar crime, mostly bank executives kicking down grandmas of their own houses for a penny is the most common crime in the U. S., not petty crime, that is actually going low, and also there is the cherry on top that our beloved vigilante killer worked for the CIA. And never the less that make it justified his actions? Make justified that the District Attorney not make more deals with petty criminals? What about the banks that rob people of their homes, their work and their lives, that basically committed fraud and get away with it? They also wont have a deal?

Don't know the details well enough to know that there's a difference between a particle accelerator and a nuclear reactor. Again dude, the proton packs, that's *proton* pack there's a hint in the name, are not nuclear reactors.

Are they dangerous? Sure, but Peck never goes after them. He fucks with the containment unit which by his own reasoning about why he's there he has no reason to care about.

Maybe because it was a nuclear powered containment unit? That no one oversee and that could be a danger to the city? It pretty sensible why he shut it down. Who wouldn't do that when you have such dangerous device in the middle of Manhattan? Also, as mention countless times before, even that this movie is about ghost, they never acknowledge the consequences of such idea in the social spectrum. Because the director was such a right-winger didnt want to offend his precious Christian religion, imagine that, there is life after death, but is no paradise, you are stuck in this Earth even after you die wondering eternally doing the same thing, over and over, until some guys capture you against your will and put you in a prison for the only crime of being stuck in limbo forever. But the movies never acknowledge that, is all fun and games, until you think about it.

[Madner Kami]

Maybe because it was a nuclear powered containment unit? [...]

Because the director was such a right-winger didnt want to offend his precious Christian religion, imagine that, there is life after death, but is no paradise, you are stuck in this Earth even after you die wondering eternally doing the same thing, over and over, until some guys capture you against your will and put you in a prison for the only crime of being stuck in limbo forever. But the movies never acknowledge that, is all fun and games, until you think about it.

Are you just kind of stupid or are you completely retarded?
A) The Containment Unit isn't nuclear. It's hooked up to the city's power-grid and later iterations (from secondary media) have a backup power generator.
B) WTF is wrong with you? What's your fucking beef with the cast and creators of Ghostbusters? Were you dropped of the diaper changing table more than once?
C) It is very clear that not everyone ends up as a ghost, since the amount of manifestations are miniscule, compared to the people who have died over the centuries. And the movie doesn't have to adress the implications of a (potential) afterlife. It's a comedy with a solid foundation of believable science, nothing more.
D) Also, quite a number of the ghosts are very clearly not "residual", aka human "souls" for lack of a better word. Gozer, Zuul and Vinz Clortho are specifically interdimensional beings and have exactly zero ties to humanity beyond being summoned by Ivo Shandor. The subway ghost, the Washington Square ghost, the cinema ghost are not exactly human ghosts either. It stands to reason, that ghosts aren't ghosts in the traditional meaning within the Ghostbusters universe, but actual all of them are interdimensional beings, including the ghosts that derive from human beings.

[Thebestoftherest]

Maybe because it was a nuclear powered containment unit? [...]

Because the director was such a right-winger didnt want to offend his precious Christian religion, imagine that, there is life after death, but is no paradise, you are stuck in this Earth even after you die wondering eternally doing the same thing, over and over, until some guys capture you against your will and put you in a prison for the only crime of being stuck in limbo forever. But the movies never acknowledge that, is all fun and games, until you think about it.

Are you just kind of stupid or are you completely retarded?
A) The Containment Unit isn't nuclear. It's hooked up to the city's power-grid and later iterations (from secondary media) have a backup power generator.
B) WTF is wrong with you? What's your fucking beef with the cast and creators of Ghostbusters? Were you dropped of the diaper changing table more than once?
C) It is very clear that not everyone ends up as a ghost, since the amount of manifestations are miniscule, compared to the people who have died over the centuries. And the movie doesn't have to adress the implications of a (potential) afterlife. It's a comedy with a solid foundation of believable science, nothing more.

You don’t need to insult but I agree that Peck isn't in the right.

[Thebestoftherest]

The proton pack is a particle accelerator, it somehow (SCIENCE!) strips electrons from protons to fire a proton stream controlled by the "wand". The containment unit uses a laser confinement grid which is drawing power from Con Edison to operate. How dare the Ghostbusters use and pay for electricity to run lasers!
Of the two I am way more concerned about the proton pack, it fires a ionizing ray of nuclear particles that is not confined and is probably very hazardous to fire at people. We can see the property damage that being hit by the stream can cause. It is possible that they contain nuclear materials, which is a contamination hazard, but in that event they are likely more of a risk to the people wearing them than anyone else; radiation follows the inverse square law.

That is an interesting point, plus something else that needs to be mentioned is that we see them crossing the streams that blast probably would have blow up a small building at worst, at best the room they happen to be in.

More to the point, despite Egon's concerns, said explosion didn't actually kill any of the people in said room. Indeed, the Ghostbusters didn't even seem to be harmed at all despite the big boom.

Chuck did theorized that Egon just meant it would have kill the Ghostbusters themeselves.

[cdrood]

You know it is possible to have a situation where NO ONE is in the right.

However the proton packs actually function, they were specifically referred to as UNLICENSED Nuclear Accelerators. That indicates a violation of some regulation, if not actual crime, and they are full aware of it. They begin operations with equipment that admittedly requires more testing and they fear might be dangerous. They installed potentially dangerous equipment in the heart of a major city without permits. Peter, upon fairly simple questioning, proceeds to antagonize a public official in the course of doing his job, without even considering how this might effect his partners. Of course, that's his character through and through. The proper response would have been, "You should speak with our attorney". Before you say they don't have one; any business should have legal counsel.

Peck, on the other hand, didn't proceed any better. While he started out fairly cordial, there was clearly an arrogance to his attitude. He took it personally when Peter refused to accede to his request to view the equipment, even though he should be aware that without a court order of some sort, he had no authority to do so. Once he acquired the correct authorization, he took no safety precautions whatsoever. Even if her were 100% right and the Ghostbusters were frauds, you can't assume that without proper analysis of the equipment. He knows the Ghostbusters' characters and should know what Egon and Ray are capable of constructing. You always assume the gun is loaded, in other words. He should have gotten a Cease & Desist order for the business, and subpoenaed the schematics for the equipment and had them looked at by qualified personnel before starting on a plan of action.
He should also have called in other agencies since he believed it was a fraud. Had he been correct, it would not have been in the EPA's jurisdiction. It would have been a case for the NYPD fraud division, which begs the question, why wasn't the NYPD's fraud division investigating them? They are charging large sums for doing something most people don't believe is real. One would also assume some of the parts they use are highly specialized and the sort of thing the FBI is on the look at for people trying to acquire. Terrorism was a thing in the 80's, too (see Back to the Future).

Movies operate under Protagonist Centered Morality. The audience knows they're the heroes and sympathizes with them and is against anyone who opposed them for whatever reason. However, looking at the situation as portrayed on screen, rationally, you can really see where it's EVERYONE's fault.

[TrueMetis]

The proton pack is a particle accelerator, it somehow (SCIENCE!) strips electrons from protons to fire a proton stream controlled by the "wand". The containment unit uses a laser confinement grid which is drawing power from Con Edison to operate. How dare the Ghostbusters use and pay for electricity to run lasers!
Of the two I am way more concerned about the proton pack, it fires a ionizing ray of nuclear particles that is not confined and is probably very hazardous to fire at people. We can see the property damage that being hit by the stream can cause. It is possible that they contain nuclear materials, which is a contamination hazard, but in that event they are likely more of a risk to the people wearing them than anyone else; radiation follows the inverse square law.

That is an interesting point, plus something else that needs to be mentioned is that we see them crossing the streams that blast probably would have blow up a small building at worst, at best the room they happen to be in.

I watched tons of times when I was a kid, both movies in fact, but now that I know the details, I not see the Ghostbusters are underdogs victims of the system, not when they have such powerful and unregulated weapons and basically nuclear reactor in their base, Beck is not the mindless idiot, he actually had valid reasons for his actions the movie treat him like a clown. And all comes to the background to this movie, to the ideology of the director, that he even admit it himself, loved Reagan policies, this is basically Law Abiding Citizen, great if you turn off your brain and not think about the details, that our hero is basically a cold blooded killer that killed some tugs when white collar crime, mostly bank executives kicking down grandmas of their own houses for a penny is the most common crime in the U. S., not petty crime, that is actually going low, and also there is the cherry on top that our beloved vigilante killer worked for the CIA. And never the less that make it justified his actions? Make justified that the District Attorney not make more deals with petty criminals? What about the banks that rob people of their homes, their work and their lives, that basically committed fraud and get away with it? They also wont have a deal?

Don't know the details well enough to know that there's a difference between a particle accelerator and a nuclear reactor. Again dude, the proton packs, that's *proton* pack there's a hint in the name, are not nuclear reactors.

Are they dangerous? Sure, but Peck never goes after them. He fucks with the containment unit which by his own reasoning about why he's there he has no reason to care about.

Maybe because it was a nuclear powered containment unit? That no one oversee and that could be a danger to the city? It pretty sensible why he shut it down. Who wouldn't do that when you have such dangerous device in the middle of Manhattan? Also, as mention countless times before, even that this movie is about ghost, they never acknowledge the consequences of such idea in the social spectrum. Because the director was such a right-winger didnt want to offend his precious Christian religion, imagine that, there is life after death, but is no paradise, you are stuck in this Earth even after you die wondering eternally doing the same thing, over and over, until some guys capture you against your will and put you in a prison for the only crime of being stuck in limbo forever. But the movies never acknowledge that, is all fun and games, until you think about it.

No it wasn't. Nowhere is it ever suggested the containment unit is nuclear powered. If it was, what Peck did was even dumber, cause you can't just flip a switch and shut down a nuclear reactor. There's a procedure, and it takes time and experts to decommission a nuclear reactor.

Like who wouldn't shut it down when it's in the middle of Manhattan? Me, cause I know what happens when you improperly shut down a nuclear reactor. (hint it fucking explodes radioactive isotopes don't have an off switch)