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Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 1:53 am
It's the truth. My Socialist friend in Peru has said he's too conservative, and he is, on guns, on a host of other issues. You want the proof? Clinton was pure centrist, and he voted the same way she did 93% of the time.
As in he want to ban or doesn't want to ban guns?
Banning guns is considered a leftist position
as for not banning guns, communist revolutionaries that want to ban guns are f*cking dumb. How are you supposed to have your revolution without guns?
Maybe because they aren't communist revolutionaries? My country went trough civil war with one side being communists. After that it was social democrats that changed things better by working withing system while there was bad blood before Winter War that united people as one to fight common enemy.
When the "Democratic Socialists" of America start advocating the elimination of the minimum wage and the privatization of the pension system, I'll start listening.
Wait though, as undisputedly left-wing people, why would they do that?
Sweden is the gold standard for successful "democratic socialism" and they have no minimum wage and a privatized pension system, plus other things like a tax system that burdens the middle class and private individuals over corporations.
As opposed to USA were rich get tax cuts for cost of regular Americans that don't even have access to basic things like healthcare because everything is so privatized and large corporations that alongside with richest 1% own your politicians need to profit from it. Those taxes that those of us in Nordic Countries have to pay are used to benefit people by providing government funded services. Including proper education for our children as well as option for public healthcare.
Regular Americans do have access to health care. Is there another USA somewhere? We're woefully ignorant of geography, you know.
Thing is in USA healthcare costs lot of money and requires having insurance from one of many insurance companies because hospitals are purely privately owned as well as only option meaning that those that don't have money for those can't have healthcare at all. Or not enough to pay hospital bills and be able to have money for living. While that alone doesn't effect it no wonder USA has lot of homeless people.
We in Finland in other hand have both private healthcare as well as provincial healthcare that's cheaper because it's funded with tax money making sure that anyone can have healthcare when they need it while having option to choose between those two.
Then again while our politicians are no means unselfish either at least they aren't owned by those with money and working for those people unlike politicians in US.
"In the embrace of the great Nurgle, I am no longer afraid, for with His pestilential favour I have become that which I once most feared: Death.."
- Kulvain Hestarius of the Death Guard
It's funny, because a lot of Sanders voters here would cheer you on, while unironically supporting a guy who's just as much a career politician with ties to the very big money he claims to hate.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Yeah well I am not after cheers from any corrupted American politician's supporters so even if they did I wouldn't care to one direction or other. Those cheers would be meaningless to me. After all why I would be concerned about opinions of people that I don't know let alone interact with.
"In the embrace of the great Nurgle, I am no longer afraid, for with His pestilential favour I have become that which I once most feared: Death.."
- Kulvain Hestarius of the Death Guard
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 1:53 am
It's the truth. My Socialist friend in Peru has said he's too conservative, and he is, on guns, on a host of other issues. You want the proof? Clinton was pure centrist, and he voted the same way she did 93% of the time.
As in he want to ban or doesn't want to ban guns?
Banning guns is considered a leftist position
as for not banning guns, communist revolutionaries that want to ban guns are f*cking dumb. How are you supposed to have your revolution without guns?
Maybe because they aren't communist revolutionaries? My country went trough civil war with one side being communists. After that it was social democrats that changed things better by working withing system while there was bad blood before Winter War that united people as one to fight common enemy.
When the "Democratic Socialists" of America start advocating the elimination of the minimum wage and the privatization of the pension system, I'll start listening.
Wait though, as undisputedly left-wing people, why would they do that?
Sweden is the gold standard for successful "democratic socialism" and they have no minimum wage and a privatized pension system, plus other things like a tax system that burdens the middle class and private individuals over corporations.
As opposed to USA were rich get tax cuts for cost of regular Americans that don't even have access to basic things like healthcare because everything is so privatized and large corporations that alongside with richest 1% own your politicians need to profit from it. Those taxes that those of us in Nordic Countries have to pay are used to benefit people by providing government funded services. Including proper education for our children as well as option for public healthcare.
Regular Americans do have access to health care. Is there another USA somewhere? We're woefully ignorant of geography, you know.
Plenty of Americans die because they lack healthcare.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
I do agree to the hypocritical mindset here. Gun ownership is a right. Healthcare is a privilege. Please.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:12 am
I don't think the disposition mindset is that healthcare is a privilege, more that it's something you have to earn.
"Something you have to earn" is a privilege, you walnut. Or are you being ironic? I can't tell because you generally operate at a level of satire slightly more opaque than Voyager technobabble.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
