The Star Wars Sequels Erased?

[McAvoy]

Oh and I can reverse the same exact crap on you.

I am a Giants fan. Was a supporter of the Eli until 2018. Before that, I always believed if you gave him a better team around him he would do better. That was until 2018 season . I ended up being a 'Eli hater' because I saw him running scared and throwing easy passes to his Super star Barkley. They are called dump passes. I saw him try to throw a deep ball with all his strength and it ended up being slightly short but his receiver caught it. Showing that his skills have dwindled badly. I noticed he doesn't trust the front five anymore.

This is a man who historically had a strong arm, won two Super Bowls against one the greatest sports dynasties ever. But his last was in the 2011-2012 season.

The point is, I noticed these things. And yes no way in hell would I perform any better than Eli. And I was beaten down by other fans who said I was anti Eli. But I also had fans on my side. They were the same ones I was critical of in previous seasons.

You and your soccer anology is the same thing. You may not know who Eli is, and by all means ask me who he is.

[CaptainCalvinCat]

Your typcal "On Saturday, Germanys bars are full of National Coaches"-argument. Everyone knows it better than the actual person, who is doing the job. "Yeah, they should send Kimmich on and- oh boy - how does Götze play? And is the Schiri (ref) blind?! That clearly was a foul by Özil!"

And I feel reminded of that mentality by sentences like "They clearly don't know, what they're writing" or "I could write something better."
And of course you can say, what you want - but don't be surprised, if one says "Hey, maybe you should put your money where your mouth is?"

Never said anything about they didn't know what they were writing nor did I say I could write better. Please understand the concept of saying 'maybe it could have been written better'. It's you trying to make me write something that I am not even clear on myself, just suggesting maybe it could have.

I mean holy shit, are you the one who wrote it? Are you offended by the fact I could even remotely suggest that it could even be written differently?

Hell it was written off the cuff on my thoughts on a fucking breakdown on how you could view it. But you focused on that as if I yelled the shit out of your child because I disagree with your parenting. Whereas I said in a general manner that parents could maybe parent differently.

So I got to ask, did I just yell at your child or something? Or do I have to produce records of my own parenting so you can critique my own parenting?

Because that is what you are asking. You want to critique whatever the hell I come up with.

So did you write the movie?

Yeah, but if you say something like "maybe it could've been written better", you at least should have something like an idea concerning the "how" - not a working concept, not a developed script, nothing like that, but something like an idea how to make it better.

And no, I didn't write this movie, I didn't even particularly like it - but I'm not a fan of the "well, it could've been better"-angle, without the aspect about "how" to make it better.

And I'm sorry, that I apparently hurt your feelings.

[CaptainCalvinCat]

The truth is the truth. Show me evidence that the majority of the viewing public doesn't want exactly the same thing over and over again AKA the Marvel formula.

If that were the case wouldn't every single MCU film always make roughly the same amount because it would always be the same people coming back again and again?

And what about the Terminator franchise? They have been making less and less money ever since 3, despite trying very hard to do the same thing over and over.

I'd say, it has something to do with the fact, that people having a ridiculous notion on how a Terminator movie should be. They think, they have the formula down, however even the first sequel didn't adhere to the formula. In T 1, Arnie was the bad guy, in T2 he was the hero. With T 3, at least I was thinking, we would get more of the same, with the addition of Kate Brewster and suddenly - wham bam - Judgement Day happened, which was a bit of a downer ending for me. T4 was - consequently - not my favourite, because it took place completely in the future, which I found quite boring.

T5 returned "to formula" - and I have no problem with the time-travel shenanigans (and have to admit: I thought, that more Matt Smith could've helped the movie ^^).
Now we have T6 and - they killed off John Connor right in the beginning. And yet, I have no problem with a different approach, with the Terminator, that killed John, being "a prepper" etc. and I submit the idea: All of those approaches would've been fine, if the makers of said movie didn't say "Okay, this is the true continuity now."
Just crank out Terminator movie after Terminator movie and say "this takes place in a different timeline" - and so the audience can pick and choose with movie they'd like as a true successor of T2.
Or they could say: "T 2 had a perfect ending - that's it, we don't need T3,4,5,6 "

[McAvoy]

Your typcal "On Saturday, Germanys bars are full of National Coaches"-argument. Everyone knows it better than the actual person, who is doing the job. "Yeah, they should send Kimmich on and- oh boy - how does Götze play? And is the Schiri (ref) blind?! That clearly was a foul by Özil!"

And I feel reminded of that mentality by sentences like "They clearly don't know, what they're writing" or "I could write something better."
And of course you can say, what you want - but don't be surprised, if one says "Hey, maybe you should put your money where your mouth is?"

Never said anything about they didn't know what they were writing nor did I say I could write better. Please understand the concept of saying 'maybe it could have been written better'. It's you trying to make me write something that I am not even clear on myself, just suggesting maybe it could have.

I mean holy shit, are you the one who wrote it? Are you offended by the fact I could even remotely suggest that it could even be written differently?

Hell it was written off the cuff on my thoughts on a fucking breakdown on how you could view it. But you focused on that as if I yelled the shit out of your child because I disagree with your parenting. Whereas I said in a general manner that parents could maybe parent differently.

So I got to ask, did I just yell at your child or something? Or do I have to produce records of my own parenting so you can critique my own parenting?

Because that is what you are asking. You want to critique whatever the hell I come up with.

So did you write the movie?

Yeah, but if you say something like "maybe it could've been written better", you at least should have something like an idea concerning the "how" - not a working concept, not a developed script, nothing like that, but something like an idea how to make it better.

And no, I didn't write this movie, I didn't even particularly like it - but I'm not a fan of the "well, it could've been better"-angle, without the aspect about "how" to make it better.

And I'm sorry, that I apparently hurt your feelings.

It didn't hurt my feelings but apparently whatever I said did for you.

Call me out all you want. But the fact is it was you who used a sports analogy but mine was better. I can be an observer looking from the outside seeing an issue. Maybe an issue I can't quite place but I see it.

But it is your fault you focused on something like I said I 'can' write something better as opposed to 'it could be written better'.

Sorry about you not understanding what I was talking about.

[CaptainCalvinCat]

Your typcal "On Saturday, Germanys bars are full of National Coaches"-argument. Everyone knows it better than the actual person, who is doing the job. "Yeah, they should send Kimmich on and- oh boy - how does Götze play? And is the Schiri (ref) blind?! That clearly was a foul by Özil!"

And I feel reminded of that mentality by sentences like "They clearly don't know, what they're writing" or "I could write something better."
And of course you can say, what you want - but don't be surprised, if one says "Hey, maybe you should put your money where your mouth is?"

Never said anything about they didn't know what they were writing nor did I say I could write better. Please understand the concept of saying 'maybe it could have been written better'. It's you trying to make me write something that I am not even clear on myself, just suggesting maybe it could have.

I mean holy shit, are you the one who wrote it? Are you offended by the fact I could even remotely suggest that it could even be written differently?

Hell it was written off the cuff on my thoughts on a fucking breakdown on how you could view it. But you focused on that as if I yelled the shit out of your child because I disagree with your parenting. Whereas I said in a general manner that parents could maybe parent differently.

So I got to ask, did I just yell at your child or something? Or do I have to produce records of my own parenting so you can critique my own parenting?

Because that is what you are asking. You want to critique whatever the hell I come up with.

So did you write the movie?

Yeah, but if you say something like "maybe it could've been written better", you at least should have something like an idea concerning the "how" - not a working concept, not a developed script, nothing like that, but something like an idea how to make it better.

And no, I didn't write this movie, I didn't even particularly like it - but I'm not a fan of the "well, it could've been better"-angle, without the aspect about "how" to make it better.

And I'm sorry, that I apparently hurt your feelings.

It didn't hurt my feelings but apparently whatever I said did for you.

Call me out all you want. But the fact is it was you who used a sports analogy but mine was better. I can be an observer looking from the outside seeing an issue. Maybe an issue I can't quite place but I see it.

But it is your fault you focused on something like I said I 'can' write something better as opposed to 'it could be written better'.

Sorry about you not understanding what I was talking about.

I stand with "If you say, it can be written better", you better bring in examples of "how to write it better", because if you don't do that, either you have no idea, what you're talking about, or you're just dishonest.

Take "Clearspira" for example. S/he brought up decent ideas concerning the question, how to improve the new Trilogy. All you did was moaning on how you thought, that the New Trilogy sucked - there's a difference.

[phantom000]

I suppose i should not bother weighing in on the Disney films when I have only seen 2 of them, TFA and Solo. But based on what i have read it seems the Disney version of SW has run its course. Disney is a business and it exists to turn a profit, but it seems the company was more interested in a short-term scheme than building up the property.

The sequel trilogy seems like it was designed to be mass marketed, they bring back Harrison Ford, Carrie Fischer, Mark Hamil and Billy Dee Williams, to cash in on nostalgia and bring in old school fans, then focus on action and special effects to draw in more casuals. The scheme worked, they made a ridicules fortune, but now there is no where to go.

I think the reason they are considering erasing the ST and starting over is the same reason they dumped the EU, they want to clear the table to make room for their next money making scheme, which probably won't do nearly as well because they are over-saturating the market.

[McAvoy]

Your typcal "On Saturday, Germanys bars are full of National Coaches"-argument. Everyone knows it better than the actual person, who is doing the job. "Yeah, they should send Kimmich on and- oh boy - how does Götze play? And is the Schiri (ref) blind?! That clearly was a foul by Özil!"

And I feel reminded of that mentality by sentences like "They clearly don't know, what they're writing" or "I could write something better."
And of course you can say, what you want - but don't be surprised, if one says "Hey, maybe you should put your money where your mouth is?"

Never said anything about they didn't know what they were writing nor did I say I could write better. Please understand the concept of saying 'maybe it could have been written better'. It's you trying to make me write something that I am not even clear on myself, just suggesting maybe it could have.

I mean holy shit, are you the one who wrote it? Are you offended by the fact I could even remotely suggest that it could even be written differently?

Hell it was written off the cuff on my thoughts on a fucking breakdown on how you could view it. But you focused on that as if I yelled the shit out of your child because I disagree with your parenting. Whereas I said in a general manner that parents could maybe parent differently.

So I got to ask, did I just yell at your child or something? Or do I have to produce records of my own parenting so you can critique my own parenting?

Because that is what you are asking. You want to critique whatever the hell I come up with.

So did you write the movie?

Yeah, but if you say something like "maybe it could've been written better", you at least should have something like an idea concerning the "how" - not a working concept, not a developed script, nothing like that, but something like an idea how to make it better.

And no, I didn't write this movie, I didn't even particularly like it - but I'm not a fan of the "well, it could've been better"-angle, without the aspect about "how" to make it better.

And I'm sorry, that I apparently hurt your feelings.

It didn't hurt my feelings but apparently whatever I said did for you.

Call me out all you want. But the fact is it was you who used a sports analogy but mine was better. I can be an observer looking from the outside seeing an issue. Maybe an issue I can't quite place but I see it.

But it is your fault you focused on something like I said I 'can' write something better as opposed to 'it could be written better'.

Sorry about you not understanding what I was talking about.

I stand with "If you say, it can be written better", you better bring in examples of "how to write it better", because if you don't do that, either you have no idea, what you're talking about, or you're just dishonest.

Take "Clearspira" for example. S/he brought up decent ideas concerning the question, how to improve the new Trilogy. All you did was moaning on how you thought, that the New Trilogy sucked - there's a difference.

And I still stand that you need to read what I said and understand what I said.

I never said I can write better.

I never said I could write better.

I never said it can be written better.

I never said it should have been written better.

I said maybe it could have been written better.

This isnt the case of 'I can do better than that'. It's a case of 'maybe it could have been better'.

This isn't a case of me saying 'I can have kicked that ball better than that player'. This is a case of 'that kick might have been kicked better'. This isnt the case of someone thinking they could do better if given the chance. This is a case of someone noticing a play on the field could have been enacted better or maybe a better play could have been used.

Do you understand? Should I break it down for you even more?

If you stand by your guns on this then ANY criticism I see you make on this forum I will call you out and have you write a better version of it. Because that is what you are asking of me. A criticism I made with a shrug 'maybe it could have been better'. Then telling me to do better.

[Captain Crimson]

This rumor is still unsubstantiated, and I doubt it.

For one thing, the time temple was destroyed in SWR. Secondly, pick up a new EU book, or an older Legends novel. You'll see a timeline of events in both of them. Just arbitrarily removing the ST, but not the whole of DC, and dumping it into SWL makes no sense. Where does it slide into the timeline of SWL, if that's where they want to put it, past being the waste bin for non-canon garbage as they see it? Young Jedi Knights? New Jedi Order? The Dark Nest Trilogy? Legacy of the Force or Fate of the Jedi? The simple fact of the matter is, it doesn't fit. And what replaces it in the DC? A reboot is definitely going to come, but not just six years after they rebooted. And certainly not by causing further canon shenanigans.

People just ignore the DC has its fans too. And decanonization leads to upset fans. LF saw this in 2014. To do yet again, in the fashion we hear being reported, would lead to double pushback, from SWL fans and DC fans. Because the ST ARE part of the new timeline. You can't ignore that. It's tied into the side material same as the old EU under Mr. Lucas was. They are not going to disavow it this way, especially with veterans like Mr. Chee and Mr. Hidalgo still employed.

They're just gonna slap a retcon patch job over it. Take Jedi Prince, for example. A horrible series of early EU novels before it really got going, that ironically, LF felt like lifting to make the ST (not even making that up, it had the grandchild of Palpatine thing, heir to the throne, and even killing off the main villain before the end of the series). And it was retconned. It was desperately needed. The actual Prophets of the Dark Side we see here are just phony con men. There are Prophets of the Dark Side, like Cronal or Blackhole from Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor, but they're actual Force users, nothing like they were portrayed here.

Mr. Hidalgo and Mr. Chee would be well aware, as LF veterans, how to take this and make into it something else for the DC. JP was the foundation in the early '90s that needed to be stripped down into almost nothing and then remade to fit into existing C Canon. And that's what they're going to do here. The old cast is never returning. Ms. Fisher is dead. Mr. Ford would be need to be paid more money than Disney is willing to shill out. And Mr. Hamill would probably only come back if they promised to try and writer his character better. And other cast members like Ms. Ridley and Mr. Boyega likewise show reluctance in returning. The damage is done. Move on.

Besides, the new EU is going with the clone explanation anyway. Taking their cues from the EU they said was too limiting for their "creative freedom." So he can't have had a bunch of mirrors on the DSII to escape through. He'd also never lose if that were the case.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

hi captain crimson

[Makeshift Python]

This is about as likely as the plethora amount of times Alex Kurtzman got fired.